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Visited a country that no longer exists? How it counts

A trip to a country that no longer exists counts for the country that holds that ground today. If you visited Yugoslavia in 1985 and only saw Dubrovnik, you've been to Croatia; if you went to Czechoslovakia and only saw Prague, you've been to the Czech Republic, not Slovakia. The Travelers' Century Club goes one step further and keeps retired destinations like East Germany and Czechoslovakia on a list of their own, which still counts if you went before the club retired them.

The former countries people ask about most

Former country Until Its ground today
Soviet Union 1991 15 countries, including Russia, Ukraine, Estonia, Georgia and Uzbekistan
Yugoslavia 1991–1992, then 2003 for the rump state Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, North Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro, and Kosovo, which declared independence from Serbia in 2008
Serbia and Montenegro 2006 Serbia and Montenegro, as two countries
Czechoslovakia 31 December 1992 Czech Republic and Slovakia
East Germany and West Germany 3 October 1990 Germany
North and South Yemen 1990 Yemen
North and South Vietnam 1976 Vietnam
Netherlands Antilles 10 October 2010 Curaçao, Sint Maarten and the Caribbean Netherlands (Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba)

Some countries didn't vanish but lost ground. Sudan still exists, but a trip to Juba before 2011 is now a trip to South Sudan; see the world's newest countries. Others only changed their name, like Zaire or Swaziland; those are in countries that changed their names.

How to count it on today's lists

On the UN's 193 and the 250 list, the old country has no entry, so you count each of today's countries whose ground you actually stood on.

If you can't remember exactly where you went, old photos, letters and postcards usually settle it. A route through Yugoslavia by car could have crossed four of today's countries in a day.

How the Travelers' Century Club counts it

The club keeps a list of retired destinations: places that were once on its list but no longer meet its criteria. They include the German Democratic Republic, Berlin, Czechoslovakia, the Netherlands Antilles, North Vietnam, South Vietnam, South Yemen and the Panama Canal Zone, each with the date it was retired.

Under the club's grandfather clause, a retired destination still counts toward the 100 needed to join and toward the 150 and 200 levels, as long as you visited before its retirement date. So a 1988 trip to East Berlin can still earn credit as the German Democratic Republic. The club retired that entry on 2 October 1990, the day before reunification. More on the club's rules in the Travelers' Century Club and its list of 330.

Keeping the old name alive

Many travelers like to keep a short list of the countries they saw before they disappeared. It doesn't change any count, but "I've been to the Soviet Union" is a story few people born after 1985 can tell.

Globestamp keeps that history on its stamps. A visit from before a country's name or borders changed is stamped with the name it had then, and it still counts for today's country. A 1985 photo in Ljubljana makes a Yugoslavia stamp that counts for Slovenia; a 1988 photo in Prague makes a Czechoslovakia stamp that counts for the Czech Republic. Germany before 3 October 1990 becomes East or West Germany by the region you were in, while Berlin stays Germany. It also knows the Soviet Union, Serbia and Montenegro and the Netherlands Antilles. Where a history is disputed, it keeps today's name.

Old trips often have no location

Most trips to countries that no longer exist were shot on film. A scanned print has no location and carries the date you scanned it. In the Photos app on iPhone you can set a photo's location and change its date and time from its info panel; menus can move between iOS versions. How to add or change a photo's location has the steps. Set the date as well as the place, so the photo sits in the right year.

Questions people ask

Can I count the Soviet Union as a country I've visited?

Not on today's lists: the UN's 193 and the 250 list count only countries that exist now, so you count the former Soviet republics you actually went to. Many travelers keep the Soviet Union as a note of pride alongside their count.

If I visited Czechoslovakia, have I been to both the Czech Republic and Slovakia?

Only if you went to both parts. Prague, Brno and Karlovy Vary are in the Czech Republic; Bratislava and the High Tatras are in Slovakia. Count each by where you were.

Does a trip to East Germany count for the Travelers' Century Club?

Yes, if you went before the club retired the German Democratic Republic on 2 October 1990. Under its grandfather clause, retired destinations still count toward membership and the 150 and 200 levels.

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